Democracy and Islam – Can’t co-exist

March 18, 2011



Muslims are not a race.  Islam is not a RELIGION – Anything that is 1/5th or less of anything can’t be classified as any ONE thing. Islam is Shariah Law, culture, ideology, politics and Maybe, if there is room, religion.  However, since the vast majority is NOT, then it doesn’t qualify.

The ideology is EXCLUSIVE.  THIS IS WHAT the issue is.  Islam choose to punish people within this life and only grant absolution in death. It creates a HUMANS as spiritual judges.  ISLAM allows MAN to be the JUDGE and EXECUTIONER – taking away any of g-ds authority to do that.  THAT is anti g-d.  Islam is ANTI g-d.  It’s and ideology that enslaves.  At it’s core MOHAMMAD was a Conqueror and a TYRANNIC person.  He is the creator of Islam.  All MEN are told to be like him and that he is the perfect MAN.  ISLAMS perfect man is a pedophile, an adulterer, a murderer, an enslaver, and worst of all ANTI – G-D, who put LIFE above all else and creation and not submission and conquest.  Islamic culture creates dust.  Look around the ME.  All the Muslim areas are parasitically in nature. The oil rich nations are only RICH as a result of the WESTS creations.  The WEST pays for oil.  The WEST created the OIC.  The WEST created YOUR ability to prosper.  Wait.  Wait until the WEST decides that we don’t WANT to believe that we “need” the OIL and the OIC becomes a vague blemish of history.  What will the Muslims do then?  No more money for oil.  Where does the food come from?  or all the other life sustaining products?  Relying on Iran?  Thats a genie all right.  Genies are evil.





‘Democracy and political Islam can’t coexist’

03/18/2011 03:45

President of US Islamic Forum for Democracy tells ‘Post’ American Islamic groups refuse to engage on “separation of mosque and state.”

Zuhdi Jasser

Zuhdi Jasser is a respected Arizona-based doctor of internal medicine and nuclear cardiology, formerly a lieutenant-commander in the US Navy and attending physician to the US Congress.

As founder and president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, he is also one of the most controversial Muslims in the United States.

Jasser, raised in Wisconsin by Syrian immigrant parents, describes himself as a devout Sunni Muslim, but his organization’s unyielding battle against political Islam has placed him in the crosshairs of groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Islamic Center of America, which he says have failed to adequately address the “insidious separatism” of political Islam.

In a phone interview from Phoenix with The Jerusalem Post, Jasser offers no apology for testifying in this month’s contentious House of Representatives hearing on Muslim radicalization in the US. He says the committee chairman, New York Republican Rep. Peter King, “provided an opportunity for Muslims to talk about how we are going to solve our own problems.”

Of the last 220 arrests by the US Department of Justice on terror charges, Jasser notes, more than 180 of the suspects were Muslims.

“You have 1.5 percent of the population that is over 80% of the arrests,” he says.

“And the arc has been increasing.”

Rather than remain on the defensive, Jasser says, the US and the West at large must take a muscular, offensive approach toward promoting the ideals of liberalism. Those who say democracy and political Islam can peacefully coexist, he says, are ill-informed.

“They don’t understand democracy. My devout Muslim parents and grandparents understood Sharia. They understood that Sharia, while it means God’s law, is actually man’s law – once it is implemented in any fashion, it becomes man’s law.”

Democracy, Jasser says, means more than elections; it means protection of the individual.

“We need to start having a conversation about what exactly we mean by democracy,” says Jasser, a firm proponent of what he refers to as “separation of mosque and state.”

“There’s a reason the US Constitution doesn’t have the word Christian in it,” he notes. “You can’t really have a Jew or a Christian as president of an Islamic society run by Islamic law. You don’t really have equal rights under God, but rather under Islam.”

An outspoken supporter of Israel, Jasser sits on the board of the Clarion Fund, a New York-based advocacy group that last month released the controversial film Iranium, which highlights the dangers of Iran’s nuclear program.

Jasser is convinced that if given a level playing field, his group’s ideology of secular government will emerge victorious in the Middle East.

“Not once has any of the Islamist groups in the US – the Council on American- Islamic Relations, the Islamic Center of America – engaged our organization on the idea of liberty and the separation of mosque and state. They know that if we get to that point, they’ll lose the argument,” he asserts.

“The desire of every individual before the law, before one law, and before government, is not a monopoly of the West. It’s a humanitarian principle that was embodied in the UN Declaration on Human Rights, the very UN declaration that the Cairo declaration – the Organization of the Islamic Conference countries – refused to endorse because they know that Sharia is not compatible with those ideas. But those are humanitarian principles,” he explains. “I think it’s almost racist to believe Muslims or Arabs have to be relegated to a collectivist, populist Islamist society because that’s what they are.”

This week, Syria saw the first embers of popular unrest, but Jasser says he doesn’t believe President Bashar Assad’s regime is in any immediate danger.

“People have developed a certain apathy, equaled only perhaps by that of Saudi Arabia. That apathy has been built over half a century of oppressive rule, so turning that around will be very difficult. But I think we’ve seen over the past few weeks that the Syrian people are beginning to develop a little more courage,” he says.

Jasser notes that while there was a small Islamist contingent in anti-government rallies in Egypt, the dominant sentiment there was of a hunger for freedom and progressive democracy.

“Even if it goes the other way and the [Muslim] Brotherhood gains some influence, I don’t think we made the wrong decision. Because at the end of the day if we sided with righteousness and with moral, democratic governance, I would feel much better going to sleep at night, knowing that the legacy for my children from America, Israel and the West was one of freedom and liberty.”

The West, he believes, must work to promote Arab democracy, no matter how bumpy the road from autocracy might be.

“This binary choice in the Middle East behind secular fascism and theocratic fascism has got to change… As a freedom activist and a liberty- loving Muslim who has been working against the influence of theocracy and Islamism specifically, I could never articulate a policy that the devil we know is better,” he says.
<I agree with him on a personal level, of coarse.  However, as a country we DO sometimes need to look at things in a from here to there perspective.  Here, being the west and there, being the Islamic world.  You see, even though he speaks of Muslims (the people) the ideology is WESTERN.  He is not an Islamist.  He is a WESTERNER.  He will be viewed as a Westerner for his perspective.  No matter how I wish that his point of view was the point of view that the Islamist, it isn’t.  He, unfortunately, is much too advanced as compared to his contemporaries.  >
“The ‘ADD approach’ of US Mideast policy has been counterproductive,” Jasser adds. “We need to help them build institutions, get the ideas of liberty in those countries and have a more patient, pragmatic approach to the war of ideas. We may take some steps backward before we go forward.”




Arizona – Scottsdale – Muslim infidel doctor warns about Muslims and Islam

February 26, 2011

This guy better get ready to have to fight off some jihadi’s and have a Fatwa cast against him.

Sad.  These people STILL don’t get it.  Even when the entire Muslim world tells them that they will be “cast out to the sea”,  they will still stand their ground saying – Well, you see, SEA is not taken literally……. blah blah blah




Anxiety on all sides of upcoming House hearing on radicalization of U.S. Muslims


Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 26, 2011; 5:31 PM


Zuhdi Jasser leads the American Islamic Forum for Democracy. So far, he is the only non-lawmaker on the witness list for the House hearings.

In some ways, Zuhdi Jasser doesn’t match the profile of the typical Muslim American. He’s an active Republican who has supported U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, advocates for Israel and says his faith harbors “an insidious supremacism.”

Yet the prominent Scottsdale, Ariz., doctor is the face of American Islam for a Capitol Hill moment. Other than members of Congress, Jasser is the only witness New York Rep. Peter T. King has identified so far forhis upcoming hearings on the radicalization of U.S. Muslims.


King, the Long Island Republican who chairs the House Homeland Security Committee, has called the hearings to start March 9. Although he initially spoke out to promote them, his decision in recent weeks to lie low (he declined to comment for this article) and to keep the witness list and precise questions quiet reflects the complexities of debating the problem, experts say.

Should the hearings focus strictly on hard data about American Muslim cooperation with law enforcement? Should they explore whether American foreign policy helps breed radicalism? Can a congressional hearing in a secular nation explore whether Islam needs a reformation?

<Who are these people to REFORM anything?  Who would listen to them?  >


That final point is the core tenet of Jasser, a father of three, Navy veteran and a former doctor to Congress.

Through his nonprofit group, the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, he debates other Muslims and appears on mostly conservative media to press Muslim leaders to aggressively oppose a “culture of separatism.” He wants clerics to disavaow scripture that belittles non-Muslims and women and to renounce a role for Islam in government.

<NO one is going to listen to this infidel.  That is what he is going to wind up being called.  If he’s not laughed out, then he’ll be on the JIHAD list or a FATWA proclaimed against him.  >

As the only non-legislator name King has announced he will call, Jasser is drawing a lopsided amount of attention.

~ might one ask where are all the Christians in Arabia ~ we know full well where they are ~ jailed or buried. “]King will have a separate panel of congressional witnesses, and he has said he will call Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.). The Democrats on the committee will call Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca, who has disputed King’s contention that Muslims don’t cooperate with law enforcement.

With a mostly top-secret list and the first hearing in a few days, anxiety is building among Muslim Americans and national security experts alike. Although some hope that it will improve dialogue, others fear it could set off more prejudice.

National security people “are holding their breath that it doesn’t explode. I’ve heard that from people on all sides,” said Juan C. Zarate, a senior adviser to the Center for Strategic and International Studies and a former security adviser to President George W. Bush.


Juan Carlos Zarate, left, with Paul Simons of State, is Townsend's deputy and is charged with handling the National Security Council's terrorism portfolio.

Juan Carlos Zarate, left, with Paul Simons of State, is Townsend's deputy and is charged with handling the National Security Council's terrorism portfolio.

<Prior to working at the Treasury Department, he served as a prosecutor in the Department of Justice’s Terrorism and Violent Crime Section, where he worked on terrorism cases, including the USS Coleinvestigation. — COLE was never avenged.  This, act of WAR, was never brought to justice.  NOW you know why…… This guy!>

Muslim leaders initially lobbied for King to halt hearings but are now are debating whether to try to get on the witness list. Long-standing critics of Muslim American organizations have blasted King for including “apologists” such as Ellison, one of two Muslims elected to Congress. Some national security experts say King’s plan could exacerbate terrorism overseas by making U.S. Muslims appear persecuted, while others say King’s reputation for criticizing Muslims makes him a problematic moderator. Others say King has needlessly courted controversy.

“The U.S. government should investigate domestic Islamist radicalization,” Daniel Pipes, the Middle East Forum director who has written extensively on the threat posed by radical Islamists, said in an e-mail. “Unfortunately, Rep. Peter King has proven himself unsuited for this important task, as shown by the gratuitous controversy he has generated over the mere selection of witnesses.”

Into the void comes Jasser, who sits on the board of a nonprofit group that made twocontroversial films about the dangers of radical Islam. The Clarion Fund says on its Web site that the growth of the American Muslim population “is raising eyebrows from sea to shining sea. . . . And if you think that a growing Muslim population cannot threaten America, just look at Europe.”

The former head of the American Medical Association’s Arizona chapter, Jasser is the personal physician to prominent Arizonans (including former congressman J.D. Hayworth). Despite his work on conservative causes, Jasser says he has walked out of his mosque when politicians were brought in to speak.

Jasser has always been affiliated with a local mosque, and briefly served as a spokesman for the Islamic Center of North East Valley in Scottsdale, where his children attend classes. He was involved in interfaith work in Phoenix, where some activists say he is an outlier among Muslims.

So what expertise or constituency justifies this medical doctor being the only non-congressman King has named? “A lifetime of practicing my faith,” he said in a telephone interview.

To Heather Hurlburt, executive director of the National Security Network, a progressive foreign policy think tank, Jasser’s resume lacks any community leadership roles, any policy or academic expertise.

“These aren’t people who we normally expect the policy process to produce,” she said.

King faced criticism as soon as he announced in December that he’d hold hearings on the threat of homegrown terrorism from Muslims.

Faith leaders, Muslim American organizations, the ranking Democrat on the committee – Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson – and some law enforcement leaders challenged the idea that Muslims should be the focus.

The subject is fraught with sensitivities on all sides. Some are horrified at Islam being singled out while others want to make sure the religious aspect of terrorism is not ignored. The potential for giving offense has led to some clunky language. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.), who conducted 14 hearings on everything from Internet radicalization to the Fort Hood, Tex., shootings without major controversy, said it was exploring “homegrown terrorism and domestic radicalization inspired by violent Islamist extremism.”

Zarate, who praises Jasser as “fantastic” because he offers an alternative, non-institutional voice, said the hearings could do damage if they create a sense that there is a divide between Muslim organizations and mainstream America.

“It would be a shame if the hearings didn’t move the debate the country is having, both on how to combat violent extremism and also on Islamophobia.”


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