I had to get this over here, so that I have it for my records.
Butterdezillion did a very good job with the information.
As you know or may not know. I copy everything I can from the original source, because things seem to disappear off of the internet, so I like to keep as many WORDS original.
Confirmation of Factcheck Forgery for Dummies =)
One: HDOH Confirmation #1: The 2006 amendment is not noted on Factcheck as required.
As explained here, The Hawaii Department of Health has indirectly but officially confirmed that Obama amended his birth certificate in late 2006, rendering his birth certificate legally invalid.
Regarding amendments to birth certificates, HRS 338-16 says:
§338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates. (a) Birth certificates registered one year or more after the date of birth, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the department of health, shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly “late” or “altered”.
(b) A summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for late filing or the alteration shall be endorsed on the certificates.
HDOH Administrative Rules list 2 kinds of birth certificates: standard (long-form) and abbreviated (COLB). Both kinds have to note amendments, as is illustrated by the examples here.
The Factcheck COLB says it was “filed” on Aug 8, 1961, which the HDOH says is the date it was given a number at the HDOH office. If so, the birth certificate was amended 45 years after it was “filed with the department of health” and according to HRS 338-16 must thus note the amendment, date of the amendment, and the evidence to support the amendment. The date of issuance on the Factcheck COLB is June 6, 2007, so if it truly came from the HDOH office it would have to have note of the 2006 amendment. It doesn’t, and neither does the COLB posted on Obama’s own campaign website. Both are thus indirectly yet officially confirmed as forgeries.
Two: HDOH Confirmation #2: The Factcheck COLB’s “date filed” and certificate number are incompatible.
As mentioned above, the HDOH has said that for Oahu births, the “date filed” has always meant the day the HDOH gave the birth certificate a number. As can be seen here, the Factcheck COLB has the information in the chart below. The bottom 2 lines give the information for Susan and Gretchen Nordyke:
Name ”Date Filed by Registrar” Certificate Number
Barack Obama II (Factcheck COLB) Aug 8, 1961 151-1961-010641
Susan Nordyke (born 2:12pm Aug 5) Aug 11, 1961 151-61-010637
Gretchen Nordyke (born 2:17pm Aug 5) Aug 11, 1961 151-61-010638
The Factcheck COLB claims to have been given a number 3 days earlier than the Nordyke certificates, and yet it has a higher (later) number than either of theirs.
At first, people tried to explain the discrepancy by saying that maybe the hospitals had pre-numbered birth certificates and the pile got out of order at the hospital, but the HDOH confirmed that only the HDOH office gave the certificate numbers.
And some tried to explain it by saying maybe the pile got out of order at the HDOH office. But the HDOH has said the number was given on the “date filed” so something that was numbered on Aug 8th wouldn’t still be in the pile to get mixed up with the certificates that were numbered 3 days later. What was numbered on Tuesday skipped ahead to number 641 and then what was numbered on Friday went back to 637 and 638.
Some suggested that the number was different on a COLB than on its long-form, so the discrepancies were because the Nordykes’ were long-forms and Factcheck’s a COLB. But an individual’s long-form and COLB have the same number.
The “date filed” and certificate number for the Factcheck COLB are not compatible, given the HDOH’s explanation for what “date filed” means and the numbers on the Nordyke certificates.
Three: Neil Abercrombie Confirmation #1 – published interview
In late December 2010, HI Governor Neil Abercrombie came out with interviews to both the New York Times and the LA Times, saying that he was angered by “birthers” because anybody could ask him and he could tell them he was in Hawaii when Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital; he remembered Barack Obama Sr and his wife, Ann, bringing the child to social events. He said he was talking with his Attorney General and Health Director to find a way to release proof of Obama’s Hawaii birth, since “birthers” were “disrespecting” Obama’s parents and the office of the presidency, as well as Hawaiians in general as if being born in Hawaii doesn’t make a person a US citizen. Politically-motivated people, he said, were pushing “birther” bills in state legislatures, and it was time to put the story to rest.
Exactly 3 weeks later, in an interview given Jan 14th and published on Jan 18th by Richard Borreca, political columnist for the Star Advertiser, the following exchange was reported (emphasis mine):
Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. How is that coming?
A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.
(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)
It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down …
…What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.
If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.
Notice the excerpting and parenthetical statement. It seems clear that Abercrombie told Borreca exactly what he found and Borreca chose to edit out those comments. What “recording of the birth” would there be, written down in the State Archives? According to the HDOH retention schedule, the only vital records authorized to be stored in the State Archive rather than at the Vital Records Office are
- Certificates of Hawaiian Birth and index to foreign birth that are at least 75 years old (see page 5)
- Certificates of Foreign Birth (VDR-11) See page 1 and note at the bottom the specific request that only VDR-11 Master Microfilm be stored at the State Archive. It should be noted also that the HDOH says they have no index to certificates of foreign birth – not even electronically. That means that there are either no certificates of foreign birth to be indexed, the HDOH includes foreign births in their standard index data, or they lied.
It’s not supposed to require an “investigation” to find records for a person with a legally valid birth certificate. It’s supposed to be a matter of finding it in the Vital Records Office – like former HDOH Director Fukino implied that she had done. If former Gov Lingle was able to order Fukino to look at Obama’s records then why did Abercrombie have to go to the State Archive to find anything? Because what Fukino found was also in the State Archive – in which case it was NOT a legally-valid record (either a long-form birth certificate resulting from a hospital birth, or legally-valid documentation of a home birth through affidavits and doctor’s examination and records).
In effect, the cartoon below is what the national media let Abercrombie get away with – not reporting or seemingly even grasping that if what Abercrombie said in a published report was true, there is no legally valid birth record for Obama in Hawaii, and Obama, Factcheck, and the HDOH have been covering up a very public forgery all along.
Four: Neil Abercrombie Confirmation #2 – statements to Mike Evans
According to his recorded on-air comments to radio host Peter Boyles, when Hollywood insider reporter Mike Evans saw the Abercrombie interview that was published Jan 18th he called up the governor’s office to find out from his long-time friend what was actually going on. The next day, Jan 19th, he reported to radio stations all over the country what he had found out (there are reportedly at least 3 other recordings in addition to the 2 below where Evans made these claims).
In the recorded audio of “Austin’s Morning News” (transcript here ) he says,
“Yesterday I talked to Neil. Said that he searched everywhere using all of his power as governor, looking at Kapiolani Women and Children’s Hospital and Queens Medical Center, where children were born back in that day. And he said, “Mike, there is no Barack Obama cer, birth certificate…Well, the governor w, demanded to see it, went to the hospital, sent all of his people, a search warrant, and he could not get it. Uh, there, he’s really good friends to the President but he says, he thinks this could cause some problems during re-election…
I’ve known Neil for long (chuckles) long time and he really, he’s a left-wing nut. I mean, I love him, but uh, yeah, he was, he was, you’re exactly right. He was hoping this would get rid of this problem and that he would prove that he was born in the United States. Unfortunately it backfired on him.
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In the recorded audio with KQRS – Minneapolis (transcript here ) he said:
Yesterday talking in Neil’s office, Neil says that he searched everywhere using his power as governor at the Kapiolani Women’s and Children’s Hospital and Queen’s Hospital, the only place that kids were born in Hawaii back when Barack was born, … there is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii…Absolutely no proof, at all, that he was born in Hawaii…Now he went out, he LOVES Obama. I mean he purposely did this to get rid of that, that question. Now, got some egg in the face. I mean now he admits publically that there is no birth certificate…
And I asked him, I go, “Well, when do you remember when do you remember Barack? When’s your first memory?” And he goes, ‘I remember him playing, like, in the T-ball league.’ And I go, “Well, when he was, like, five or six.” And he goes, “Something like that.” And I go, “Well, what about before that?” And he goes, “Well, I don’t really remember him much before that.” which I thought was very odd…
I’m tellin’ ya’. Neil and I are buddies and during this whole inauguration when I was in Washington for those a ten days, I spent a lot of time with Neil, and anytime anybody would come up and bring this up, you’re right, Neil was almost militant about it. “I remember him as a kid. He’s from Hawaii, born and raised …” so, needless to say, I’m sure he was shocked more than anybody by this whole thing.
By the next week the story of what Mike Evans had said made it onto Drudge Report, and Rush Limbaugh opened his monologue with the story. The next day Evans gave an interview with Peter Boyles and Jerome Corsi, in which he said he had never claimed to speak with Abercrombie, but only his office – which is documentably false, as seen in the Austin recording above.
He said he “mis-spoke”, and the media totally dropped it, with Anderson Cooper, Bill O’Reilly, and David Gregory very shortly thereafter railing about how stupid “birthers” are because they won’t believe all the evidence out of Hawaii. They totally blew off the fact that what Mike Evans claimed was totally consistent with what Abercrombie had told the Star Advertiser columnist in published reports, and brings into very, very serious doubt whether there is any valid record that even COULD result in the COLB that Factcheck claimed was genuine.
An OB doctor has told me that hospitals don’t keep copies of birth certificates after they have been sent to the Vital Records Office. But someone who trains hospital personnel in record-keeping has told me that hospitals DO keep OB patient logs for a long, long time, and someone unrelated who wished to see those logs without permission from the patient would need a subpoena. In the published interview Abercrombie referred to an “investigation”, which could mean that he had commissioned an investigative committee with power to subpoena records from the hospitals. We don’t know. Mike Evans was going to talk to Abercrombie to clarify some things but last I knew Abercrombie was not answering any questions.
What we do know is that the place to look for a legally valid birth certificate is in the Vital Records Office, and the only reason for Abercrombie to go looking in either the hospitals or the State Archive is if there was nothing legally valid in the Vital Records Office.
Abercrombie’s communications to the columnist and to Mike Evans confirm that there is no legally valid birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii, and the HDOH COULD NOT HAVE printed the COLB that is shown on either Factcheck or Obama’s own campaign website.
Five: Tim Adams Confirmation – Affidavit of Statements from Election Office Supervisor
Former City and County of Honolulu Elections Division official, Tim Adams, has signed an affidavit swearing that:
Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government…
Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquiries about Sen. Obama’s birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama, Jr. was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center on Aug 4, 1961.
During the course of my employment, I came to understand that for political reasons, various officials in the government of Hawaii, including then-Governor Linda Lingle and various officials of the Hawaii Department of Health, including Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of the Hawaii Department of Health, were making representations that Senator Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no government official in Hawaii could find a long-form birth certificate for Senator Obama that had been issued by a Hawaii hospital at the time of his birth…
During the course of my employment I was told by senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division to stop inquiring about Senator Obama’s Hawaii birth records, even though it was common knowledge among my fellow employees that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama.”
Conclusion: In view of all 5 confirmations (by Hawaii government officials) that the Factcheck COLB is in fact a forgery and has been known as a forgery by HDOH personnel for quite some time, Tim Adams’ sworn statements ring very true. The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery which could never have been produced by the HDOH because there is no legally valid birth record for Obama in Hawaii – a fact which the HDOH has furiously sought to hide, as evidenced by the corrupt and illegal behaviors documented elsewhere in this blog (see the “Government Corruption in HI” section here ).
This entry was posted on Friday, March 4th, 2011 at 8:2