Obama should not be President – Obama is setting Israel up for a WAR and the same logic would lead to a WAR in the US – He is setting a DANGEROUS precedent

May 21, 2011

This President is dangerous to the US.  The logic that started the war in Libya has nothing to do with Gadhafi, per se.  It has to do with setting the stage.  This president is not a leader.  He IS an actor.  The stage is being prepared by others.  He is only the lead role at the moment.  And this is WHY he is dangerous.  Nothing is REAL.  It’s all staged.  No one that is a REAL player gets hurt, according to the globalists.

I’m convinced that there is a fracturing in the Globalists clique.  Some of them are Global Capitalists and others are Global Communists.  There is an ideological strife a foot. The reason I believe that is because there are leaks of information surfacing that would otherwise NOT be there.

Be that as it may, the other agents in play are the Muslims.  They are outmaneuvering the Globalists on some fronts and the Globalists are making hasty errors in judgement.  They are forced to move more quickly, but some have already made deals with the other side.  Those, I believe, are the Capitalists, because they have only one goal, money, but not money in that they have paper or stuff like that, but money in terms of true wealth and that is Control driven.  They have to get CONTROL of the commonly accepted currency, because in the end, that is their only truest commodity.

So, how does that correlate to Gadhafi and how does that set the stage for a war that the US be subjected to?

It’s the Logic.  The UN is the Global GUN.  The reason that Gadhafi was attacked is to begin to set the precedent and NO other reason.  The next casualty will be potentially Syria, in my opinion.  The following, and this may not occur until AFTER the election, is Israel.  And the reasoning is nice outlined below, in Gaffeney’s article.  However, I would take it a step farther.  The same situation is setting itself up here too, in the US.  The next casualty, may indeed be, the US.  Hezbollah and Hamas have set up shop in South America and Mexico.  They are taking over the cartels.  They got their FEET in the door by selling weapons and training the Cartels.  Now, they are tenured within those “armies.”  The same situation is setting itself up.  What difference is there in logic?  It is the same.  The Palestinian’s cry that they were removed from their land.  The Mexicans cry the same.  US children are being taught toward sedition and outright treason of their own country by “teachers” whose agenda is to overthrow the state that they teach.  Even the methods are the same between the Palestinians and what they are doing to Israel and what the “Mexican’s”  are doing to the US.   The similarities should not go unnoticed.  The fish ALWAYS stinks from the HEAD.

<thanks to Mandy for the Gaffney article.>

I would also like to mention that Obama sitting as the head of the UN security council is a direct violation of the nobility clause in Article 9 of the US CONSTITUTION.

The Senate Armed Services Committee should convene immediately to prevent Obama from using our people in his and the NWO’s war. The military should stand down.

The ATF who’s under the Homeland security, which the CIA is also under, is headed by a CZAR.  This agency is NOT steered by an elected official.  This is an appointment by the PRESIDENT.  These CZAR headed agencies have taken control of legitimate agencies and are run by executive fiat.  This is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.  How is it that they have been allowed these POWERS?  These agencies have seized control of America.  They overrule the Constitutional limitations of power.

Communist China may be bad, but America is going to be much worse, if this continues unchecked.

The Gadhafi precedent: Could attack on Libya set the stage for action against Israel?

By Frank J. Gaffney, Jr.

http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | There are many reasons to be worried about the bridge-leap the Obama administration has just undertaken in its war with Col. Moammar Gadhafi. How it will all end is just one of them.

Particularly concerning is the prospect that what we might call the Gadhafi precedent will be used in the not-too-distant future to justify and threaten the use of U.S. military forces against an American ally: Israel.

Here’s how such a seemingly impossible scenario might eventuate:

It begins with the Palestinian Authority seeking a United Nations Security Council resolution that would recognize its unilateral declaration of statehood. Three top female officials in the Obama administration reprise roles they played in the council’s recent action on Libya: U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice, a vehement critic of Israel, urges that the United States support (or at least not veto) the Palestinians’ gambit. She is supported by the senior director for multilateral affairs at the National Security Council, Samantha Power, who in the past argued for landing a “mammoth force” of American troops to protect the Palestinians from Israel. Ditto Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose unalloyed sympathy for the Palestinian cause dates back at least to her days as first lady.

This resolution enjoys the support of the other four veto-wielding Security Council members – Russia, China, Britain and France – as well as all of the other nonpermanent members except India, which joins the United States in abstaining. As a result, it is adopted with overwhelming support from what is known as the “international community.”

With a stroke of the U.N.’s collective pen, substantial numbers of Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Israeli citizens find themselves on the wrong side of internationally recognized borders. The Palestinian Authority (PA) insists on its long-standing position: The sovereign territory of Palestine must be rid of all Jews.

The Israeli government refuses to evacuate the oft-condemned “settlements” now on Palestinian land or to remove the IDF personnel, checkpoints and facilities rightly seen as vital to protecting their inhabitants and, for that matter, the Jewish state itself.

Hamas and Fatah bury the hatchet (temporarily), forging a united front and promising democratic elections in the new Palestine. There, as in Gaza – and probably elsewhere in the wake of the so-called “Arab awakening” – the winner likely will be the Muslim Brotherhood, whose Palestinian franchise is Hamas.


The unified Palestinian proto-government then seeks international help to “liberate” its land. As with the Gadhafi precedent, the first to act is the Arab League. Its members unanimously endorse the use of force to protect the “Palestinian people” and end the occupation of the West Bank by the Israelis.

Turkey, which is still a NATO ally despite its ever-more-aggressive embrace of Islamism, is joined by Britain and France – two European nations increasingly hostile to Israel – in applauding this initiative in the interest of promoting “peace.” They call on the U.N. Security Council to authorize such steps as might be necessary to enforce the Arab League’s bidding.

Once again, Team Obama’s leading ladies – Mrs. Clinton, Ms. Power and Ms. Rice – align to support the “will of the international community.” They exemplify and are prepared to enforce the president’s willingness to subordinate U.S. sovereignty to the dictates of transnationalism and his personal hostility toward Israel. The concerns of Mr. Obama’s political advisers about alienating Jewish voters on the eve of the 2012 election are trumped by presidential sympathy for the Palestinian right to a homeland.

Accordingly, hard as it may be to believe given the United States’ long-standing role as Israel’s principal ally and protector, Mr. Obama acts in accordance with the Gadhafi precedent. He warns Israel that it must take steps immediately to dismantle its unwanted presence inside the internationally recognized state of Palestine lest it face the sort of U.S.- enabled “coalition” military measures now under way in Libya. In this case, they would be aimed at neutralizing IDF forces on the West Bank – and beyond, if necessary – in order to fulfill the “will of the international community.”

Of course, such steps would not result in the ostensibly desired endgame, namely “two states living side by side in peace and security.” If the current attack on Libya entails the distinct possibility of unintended (or at least unforeseen) consequences, application of the Gadhafi precedent to Israel seems certain to produce a very different outcome from the two-state “solution”: Under present and foreseeable circumstances, it will unleash a new regional war, with possible worldwide repercussions.

At the moment, it seems unlikely that the first application in Libya of the Gadhafi precedent will have results consistent with U.S. interests. Even if a positive outcome somehow is forthcoming there, should Mr. Obama and his anti-Israel troika of female advisers be allowed, based on that precedent, to realize the foregoing hypothetical scenario, they surely would precipitate a new international conflagration, one fraught with truly horrific repercussions – for Israel, the United States and freedom-loving people elsewhere.

A Congress that was effectively sidelined by Team Obama in the current crisis had better engage fully, decisively and quickly if it is to head off such a disastrous reprise.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/gaffney032211.php3

– Here’s another article as food for thought –

WHY THE FRAMERS INCLUDED THE “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” CLAUSE

by Tom Deacon


The greatest defeat of the American Revolution was the fall of Charleston, SC to the British in 1780

(May 16, 2010) — Section 1 ofArticle II of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Try to understand this: At the time of the adoption of the Constitution there were no “natural born Citizens” (no country yet = no citizens, period?), so yes, the Founders wrote in a “grandfather” clause to allow those present (already born) at the time the Constitution was signed to qualify to be president.  However, if you weren’t born yet when the Constitution was adopted (that includes Obama), then you had to be a “natural born Citizen,” meaning both parents must be U.S. citizens. It is amazing how tough this is for some people to understand. The reason Congress “investigated” McCain was because he was not born in the USA. They concluded in their report that that was OK, because his “parents” (notice the plural form of “parents”) were both U.S. Citizens.  This is not true for Obama, and he clearly was not held to the same standard.

The Constitution says you must be a natural born Citizen, or a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. The Founders wanted the president to be a natural born Citizen, but they recognized that there were NO natural born Citizens until after the Constitution was adopted. They didn’t know that 200+ years from the signing, the education system would have dumbed down the USA’s population to the point that understanding it was an endangered ability.

Some may believe the natural born Citizen clause isn’t fair. The Founders of our nation believed it was the right thing to do because they had just fought a war with those who had allegiance to a country other than the one they were fighting to create….that country was the one they left to come to America, namely, England.  The Founders did not want to elect a newborn to the office of the president, nor did they want to wait 35 years for a natural born Citizen to meet the age requirement to be president. So they grandfathered themselves in with the statement “or a Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.” No doubt they trusted themselves and their children who were born prior to the signing of the Constitution to be loyal only to the USA, fighting a war with England would have had that effect on them.

Obama is the “poster child’ who proves once again that the wisdom of America’s Founders was impeccable.

You can make up excuses till the earth fries from global warming, but you can’t change the truth.

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/05/16/note-to-obama-supporters-even-a-birth-in-hawaii-is-not-enough/


Obama Should Not Be President – OUR PRESIDENT has just called for the ETHNIC cleansing of the JEWS from their own land. This is not a “border” issue. This is ETHNIC CLEANSING

May 20, 2011

The arguments are the same.  The logic is equivalent.

If it is logical that Israel should give up their land then, the US should release the WEST to Mexico.

If the AZTECS want to CEDE from Mexico, because it was the SPANISH who came to Mexico, then should Mexico give up that portion of territory to them?  It was the Spaniards who unified a country of INDIANS and then settled it.  Doe that sound familiar?

Since the Jews would be cast out of their lives in their own country, then would that not indeed be the SAME as what occurred in Europe to the Czechs? and many other places where Jews and gypsies were driven out?

That is called ethnic cleansing.

OUR PRESIDENT has just called for the ETHNIC cleansing of the JEWS from their own land.

wiki defined ethnic cleansing:

Ethnic cleansing “is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas. (Commission of Experts Established Pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 780)”.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

This presidents logic, if transposed on our own situation, would create an ethnic cleansing here.  If he didn’t follow the SAME logic, then the WORLD would see America as a hypocrite.  Which, would not be favorable to all you appeasers out there.  It’s a LOOSE / LOOSE LOGIC.

This argument WILL come up and be used.  Mark my words.

Rabbi: ‘The President of the United States is Asking for Ethnic Cleansing’

Thursday, May 19, 2011
By Fred Lucas

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(CNSNews.com) – President Barack Obama has made an unprecedented demand on Israel, Jewish leaders said Thursday, after the president called for Israel to redraw its borders to where they were in 1967 before the Six Day War. One rabbi said Obama was, in essence, asking for “ethnic cleansing” of thousands of Jewish families.

“It’s immoral in that basically the president of the United States is asking that 500,000 people who live, work, and raise families around Jerusalem – Jewish families – that they be uprooted, resettled, deported from their homes, have their families broken,” Rabbi Aryeh Spero, founder of Caucus for America, told CNSNews.com.

“The president of the United States is asking for ethnic cleansing,” said Rabbi Spero.  “It’s ironic that the president, who speaks in humanitarian tones regarding the Palestinians, doesn’t have any humanitarian concerns toward 500,000 Jewish people and families that will be uprooted and deported from their homes.”

Obama made the demand on Israel during a speech on the Middle East, delivered at the State Department on Thursday, as a way to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But Spero believes Obama was not being honest.

“Every time Israel relinquishes land on the altar of peace, it gets not peace but rockets,” Spero said. “This has been played over and over by the Palestinian Authority, then with Yasser Arafat, with Hamas. He knows what will happen with the Israelis, and yet it doesn’t seem to bother him.”

“I’m just very disappointed that my president seems to be so indifferent to the plight of the Jewish people in Israel,” he said.

Though Israel has given up land to Palestinians in the past because of pressure from the United States, no U.S. president has asked this much, said Rabbi Gershon Tannenbaum, director of the Rabbinical Alliance of America.

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“It’s par for the course, but not to this extent,” Tannenbaum told CNSNews.com. “In other words, other presidents have also pressured Israel with the hope of achieving some kind of peace. But considering the history and considering facts on the ground, no president has been as severe as President Obama.”

However, Tannenbaum thinks the proposal is a non-starter primarily because the borders have never been the issue.

“The suggestion is going to die, this is not going to work,” he said. “It won’t go anywhere. If you notice, there was an attack on all the borders of the state of Israel. There was an attack on the 1967 borders. The problem with Israel for the Palestinians is the very existence of the state of Israel — not its borders — but that it exists at all. They will not rest until there is no Israel.”

But Spero is not so sure the proposal will just go away, even without support from Congress.

“While he [Obama] can’t force the Jewish people out of their lands, he can certainly pressure Israel to the point where it finds itself in a very insecure state of affairs,” said Rabbi Spero. “He could without certain military weapons and parts that are needed for Israel’s defense. So, it’s a tremendous amount of intimidation and pressure.”

Israel expanded its territory after the Six Day War defeating Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Israel gained the West Bank, the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, and the Sinai Peninsula (the Sinai was returned to Egypt in a deal brokered in 1978). Since 1967, and most notably in the early 1990s, Israel gave up significant amounts of land for peace to the Palestinians. The conflict has nevertheless raged onward.

“The reason Israel today is bigger than it was in 1967 is because the Arab countries united in an attack against Israel,” Tannenbaum said. “Miraculously, Israel fought them off and won. Now Israel has returned a majority of the West Bank and Israel has returned the Gaza Strip. There still is no peace. So at this point, returning more land is counterproductive and is not the answer. And the president is wrong in his plan.”

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On the eve of a visit to the U.S. by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the timing of the announcement seemed calculating, said Rabbi Yehuda Levin, a spokesman for the Rabbinical Alliance of America.

“I’m not a political Zionist,” said the rabbi. “I have my problems with the state of Israel and the things that they do that flies in the face of our religious traditional heritage. Nevertheless, in terms of security for human beings, one has to be totally concerned. I have many family members and extended family members and fellow Jews in Israel and I’m concerned for their safety.”

“I’m just prayerful that the Congress of the United States will respond to the Jewish people and residents of Israel that the position of one human being as president does not reflect what the country feels,” Levin said.

Obama recognized the negotiations would be a challenge because of the agreement between the Fatah, the leading Palestinian political party and the terrorist group Hamas, but he reaffirmed America’s relationship with Israel.

Still the speech has sparked concern and widespread coverage.

“We welcome the president’s recognition of Israel’s security needs and that Hamas cannot be a partner in the peace process, but a call to a return to 1967 borders as the basis for negotiations, even with ‘land swaps’ is a non-starter, when at least half of the Palestinian rulers are committed to Israel’s destruction,” said Rabbis Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper, founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in a written statement. “The road to peace has been clear for a long time — direct negotiations between parties who recognize each other’s legitimacy.”

Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla), in a statement released after the president’s speech, said: “This proposal is a slap in the face of our friend and democracy’s only ally in the Middle East: Israel. As a nation, we should support and promote freedom and democracy in the region, but we should not do so at the expense of Israel.  That land belongs to Israel – period.”

“Based on archeological evidence and historical right, that land belongs to Israel,” said Inhofe. “As I have outlined several times before, Israel is a strategic ally to the United States that acts as a roadblock to terrorism.  Every other country in that region hates Israel and would stop at nothing for Israel’s destruction just as they would stop at nothing to see our own destruction.”

“President Obama’s speech today kowtows to the very forces that hate us,” said the senator. “I will try to address all these issues on the Senate floor next week to refute President Obama’s message today.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/rabbis-respond-obama-speech-ethnic-clean


Osama Bin Laden – Dead after Obama’s prior month announcement to run for second term Presidency

May 2, 2011

Ding Dong the witch is dead.  Which old witch?  The wicked witch!

Ding Dong the witch is deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeead.

Osama the witch and Obama the OZ.  Who’s pulling the levers?

Obama announced the prior month that he was running for second term.  How convenient  that the witch was killed almost one month after Obama announced running.

We are FUNDING Al Qaeda in Lydia.

This guy is killed?  Now?  After 10 years?  After his organization is sooo vast that there are plenty of other replacements.

Osama is buried?  Within Islamic law?  Why?

Osama fought against the Russians in Afghanistan and WE (America) funded him. We, in fact, fed the organization, just as we NOW continue to do in Libya and all over the world.

The death of Osama is inconsequential to the terrorists.  They have already reorganized to be a much different structure.  Osama served his purpose.  Obama’s last use of this CHARACTER is to use his “death” as a re election tool.  Al Qaeda was created with the help of America and it continues with or without Osama.  Osama is dead.  OZ lives.

How ARROGANT of Obama to say that it’s under his “leadership” that the WORLD has been made safer due to the death of ONE no longer significant puppet.  An American puppet at that.

American because, he was educated and funded by America.  Al Qaeda’s benefactor was America.  And STILL IS.  How is the World safer?

Obama: World Safer Now That Bin Laden’s Dead

Published May 02, 2011

President Obama pauses in the East Room of the White House in Washington May 2 while speaking about the capture and killing of Usama bin Laden.

AP

President Obama pauses in the East Room of the White House in Washington May 2 while speaking about the capture and killing of Usama bin Laden.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/02/obama-world-safer-bin-ladens-dead/#ixzz1LDmhNcNm

President Obama said Monday that the world is a safer place now that Usama bin Laden has been killed.

“This is a good day for America,” the president said.

Speaking at the White House during a Medal of Honor ceremony, Obama briefly addressed bin Laden’s death. He acknowledged the spirit of celebration and patriotism that swept the nation overnight, and described the development as a milestone in the long-running fight against Al Qaeda.

“Our country has kept its commitment to see that justice is done. The world is safer. It is a better place because of the death of Usama bin Laden,” he said. “Today we are reminded that as a nation, there’s nothing we can’t do when we put our shoulders to the wheel, when we work together.”

Obama also thanked America’s service men and women for taking “extraordinary risks” to protect fellow Americans.

“We are truly blessed,” Obama said.

The president first announced late Sunday night that a U.S. team had killed bin Laden in a firefight in Pakistan.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/02/obama-world-safer-bin-ladens-dead/#ixzz1LDmaJnj2

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‘No closure’ after Bin Laden’s death, victim’s son says

2 May 2011 Last updated at 13:33 ET

The son of a British man killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks has said news of Osama Bin Laden’s death has brought him no sense of closure.

US President Barack Obama announced on Monday that US special forces had shot dead the Al Qaeda leader in Pakistan.

Rob Halligan, from Coventry, said the death would not bring his father back.

Bob Halligan, 59, was working for an insurance firm on the 99th floor in the south tower of the World Trade Centre when a hijacked plane flew into it.

Mr Halligan had been living in America since the 1980s and was one of about 3,000 people who died in the 9/11 attacks.

His said: “Maybe there’s justice, Bin Laden has got what is coming to him but in terms of closure not for me.

“It’s not about one person, it’s not about Bin laden its about the whole cycle of events.

“I will find closure when I see extremists laying down their weapons.”

Rob Halligan with his father Bob who was killed in tyhe 9/11 attacksMr Halligan said Bin Laden’s death alone could not give him closure for his father’s death

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-13262078


US – Downgraded! The OBAMA PLAN revealed. – Obama Should not be President.

April 18, 2011

His incompetence and illegal Presidency should be REDACTED.

This man has destabilized the country as the nail in the coffin.

Soros’ henchman is what he is.  The Communists (Globalists) tool.

He is in direct violation of Article 1 section 9 – nobility clause.

His birth is questionable

His actions are directly contrary to American security and sovereignty.

It’s said that one knows one by ones friends and associates.   Obama cavorts with thugs and thieves.  Truly, horrible people.  People who are terrorists and those who would seek to do harm to people in America and America ITSELF.  This is not an American President.  He is the Anti American President.  People from other countries come and have babies who take advantage of America.  Voter fraud is sanctioned through sanctuary cities.

This is EVIL

Stocks sink after US debt outlook downgrade

(AP) – 1 hour ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Stocks are falling sharply lower after Standard & Poor’s dropped its outlook on U.S debt quality to negative.

Even as it cut its outlook, the agency reaffirmed the U.S. debt rating itself at AAA.

International concerns are also weighing on stocks even after several companies reported earnings that beat expectations.

Traders are facing the renewed threat of a Greek debt default. China took another step to curb its runaway inflation.

In morning trading, the Dow Jones industrial average is down 175 points, or 1.4 percent. The Standard & Poor’s 500 is down 19, or 1.5 percent. The Nasdaq composite is down 40, or 1.5 percent.


Obama’s Birth certificate issue – Investigative reporter received notification of being “marked” – Alex Jones records that Madsen is NOT suicidal

April 18, 2011

The main stream media is not investigating.

The reason is because the government is covering this up.

Wow!  Is this soviet Russia?

Are we really living in a free country?

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Alex Jones Praises Matías: Chilean Patriot Who Confronted David Rockefeller – calls him a murderer – “Leave Chile, leave, leave right now!… Your world government will fail” – Amen!

April 13, 2011

This video speaks for itself.

 

 

Here’s Alex’s commentary.  He’s completely right.

 

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NY – The price to educated in a system with Government Schools – Communist Russia was better than this

April 13, 2011

Kindergarten Waitlists Stress Out Upper East Side Parents Updated 3 hrs ago

April 12, 2011 12:12pm   Updated April 13, 2011 7:22am

Government schools are the reason why this is going on.

It’s also the reason why these parents will resort to just about anything to get their children to a safe environment.  It’s not just about education.  The public school system in NY is DANGEROUS

I was a product of the better times.  Now, there are no better times.  Those schools are extreme.  They harbor criminals.  They educate children into crime.

I was beat up and almost didn’t make it.

Eventually, I joined the military.  I got out.

I would never go back.  Not to that place.  Not to the boroughs of NEW YORK.  Never.  Manhattan is nice to visit, because it’s a tourist place.  Don’t bother with the rest.  It’s a dump.

 

 

 

Kindergarten Waitlists Stress Out Parents on the Upper East Side

DOE official Elizabeth Rose on Monday night answered the questions of stressed-out Upper East Side parents whose kids are on kindergarten waitlists. (DNAinfo / Amy Zimmer)

 

 

 

 

By Amy Zimmer

DNAinfo News Editor

UPPER EAST SIDE — The parents of waitlisted 5-year-olds on the Upper East Side have another 13 years to worry about getting their kids into college, but they’re already getting a lesson in anxiety.

Eighty-five children are waitlisted for P.S. 59, on East 63rd Street between Second and Third Avenues, the latest Department of Education numbers showed. At P.S. 290, on East 82nd Street between First and Second Avenues, 65 kids are on the waitlist.

Adding to the angst, the waitlist numbers are changing daily, DOE officials told a room of tense Upper East Side parents on Monday night.

The lists change as children were admitted to private schools, education officials said, and they would continue to fluctuate until June when families will hear whether their kids get into gifted and talented programs.

“Last year, looking at the top six waitlists in Manhattan, on average 20 percent of students did not end up enrolled in their zoned school,” DOE representative Elizabeth Rose told parents, hoping to allay fears. “There is a lot of movement off these lists.”

That figure instead evoked grumbles and sighs.

“You hope people are going to leave and go to the suburbs or go to private school?” one man yelled out in despair.

“We have tracked the numbers of students who go to [gifted and talented programs],” Rose responded. “Based on that history, we are confident we will place all the students in District 2,” she said of this Manhattan school district that stretches to Lower Manhattan.

Parents would get offers to send their kindergartners to alternatives to their first choice schools some time in May, Rose said.

Kindergarten Waitlists Stress Out Parents on the Upper East SideDOE official Elizabeth Rose on Monday night answering questions of stressed-out Upper East Side parents whose kids are on kindergarten waitlists. (DNAinfo/Amy Zimmer)

Students will be assigned to other schools based on geographic proximity.

Some of the kids in P.S. 59’s zone, she explained, might go to schools south of 63rd Street, while four schools north of it — P.S. 151, 158, 198 and 267 — would pick up others.

Upper East Side schools were rezoned just a few months ago to alleviate overcrowding, but DOE officials warned then that changing zones would not eliminate kindergarten waitlists — especially in the case of P.S. 290, where blocks initially taken out of the zone were eventually added back.

“There was a lot of pushback from parents in 290,” Rose said. “They said they would rather take the risk of a waitlist than being put in another school’s zone.”

But before sending out letters about these alternative schools, education officials were considering adding one more section of kindergarten at one of three schools that might have room — P.S. 151, 158 and 267 — Rose said.

Parents wanted to know why they couldn’t have a say in the process to let the DOE know their second or third choices.

One parent, whose son is waitlisted at P.S. 59, told DNAinfo she would prefer to go south since she has to take her daughter to daycare downtown.

“This is not a choice process,” Rose told parents. “We have one process citywide.”

“The fair way to do this, to be as close as possible, is based on geography,” she said.

Parents could apply for a special exemption if they have a hardship, she told parents. Rose also told parents that their children would be eligible for a bus ride, if given a school more than half a mile from where they lived.

But that only stoked more questions.

Parents asked how many adults would supervise the kids on the bus. They wanted to know if the bus driver would drop off a 5-year-old if the parent, for some reason, wasn’t at the bus stop in the afternoon.

One dad shouted “When does the lobbying begin?”

A mother, who lives on the same block as P.S. 290, told DNAinfo how upsetting it would be to walk by there every morning with her son and explain why he can’t go there.

Another parent told DNAinfo he moved around the corner from P.S. 290 when his daughter was born so she could go there.

“I’m still very confused,” this dad said after the Q & A with DOE officials. “We just have to wait. It’s going to be a horrible summer.”

(Parents didn’t want their names used, fearing it could jeopardize their children’s chances of getting off the waitlist.)

http://www.dnainfo.com/20110412/upper-east-side/kindergarten-waitlists-stress-out-upper-east-side-parents#ixzz1JPogoPro

 


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