Sudan – Shariah LAW and the establishment of ISLAM for Northern Sudan

 

Everywhere you go — o people wana know why you ki- ill?  Why you ki-ill?

Your such murderers -such murderers!

 

It’s a cadence heard in the western world and yet know one heeds it.  No one blinks.  Heads roll and know one cares.  ISLAM is DEATH

 

Sharia law to be tightened if Sudan splits – president

President Omar al-Bashir (file photo)

Mr Bashir also defended a recent public flogging of a woman by police

 

The north of Sudan will reinforce its Islamic laws if the south secedes as a result of next month’s referendum, President Omar al-Bashir has said.

Mr Bashir said the constitution would then be changed, making Islam the only religion, Sharia the only law and Arabic the only official language.

Correspondents say his comments are likely to alarm thousands of non-Muslim southerners living in the north.

They are currently protected from some of the stronger aspects of Sharia.

“If south Sudan secedes, we will change the constitution,” Mr Bashir told a gathering of his supporters in the eastern town of Gederef on Sunday.

“Sharia and Islam will be the main source for the constitution, Islam the official religion and Arabic the official language,” the president added.

The imposition of Sharia on the non-Muslim south was one of the reasons for the long civil war, which ended when a peace deal was signed in 2005, the BBC’s James Copnall in Khartoum reports.

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Under the accord, an interim constitution was drafted that removed Sharia law from the south and also recognised Sudan’s cultural and social diversity, our correspondent says.

President Bashir said on Sunday there would be no question of this diversity when a new constitution was drafted, if the south became independent

Senior northern officials are just starting to acknowledge publicly that South Sudan – where most people follow traditional beliefs and Christianity – are almost certain to choose to separate in the referendum.

Separately, Mr Bashir also commented on a recent high-profile case in which a video posted on the internet showed a woman being flogged by police in the north.

“If she is lashed according to Sharia law, there is no investigation. Why are some people ashamed? This is Sharia,” the president said.

Human rights activists have accused the police of treating the woman in a particularly brutal way not compatible with Islam.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12033185

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22 Responses to Sudan – Shariah LAW and the establishment of ISLAM for Northern Sudan

  1. Hasan says:

    hmmmm, I don’t think they can really implement Shariah, Shariah isn’t the crap these guys talk about, its much more than that, besides in today’s conditions, the Shariah law cannot be implemented anywhere, as I discuss about it here

    http://dinopak.wordpress.com/tag/shariah-law/

  2. txlady706 says:

    Hasan:
    Islam is not a Religion in the most part of it.
    It’s a politics and LAW. It sets up the culture and the finance. The religious aspect is only 1/5th and is therefore not as relevant

  3. txlady706 says:

    Hasan:
    Again and again you say one thing and the reality is totally different.

    • Hasan says:

      txlady,
      I do understand what you see is what you believe. I merely ask you not to view it as “Islamic” as nothing of that sort is Islamic I can assure you that. Like I have said before, they have distorted Islam to ‘gain power’ over the ignorant masses.

      Most like Christian church in the dark ages.

  4. txlady706 says:

    Hasan:
    From the KORAN itself are the words. I don’t see them as a distortion. I see anyone telling me that the elephant is a mouse as a LIAR. Lets agree to this. The LIBERAL version of Islam is not really ISLAM and that that is the only non violent one.

    • Hasan says:

      Again, you don’t know Islam at all. You only see it from one perspective (the most common one I must say), if you really want to understand Islam you have to open your heart and mind towards the Qura’an.

      There is no violence in Islam, I am asking you again go through my posts about Shariah law and Islam, read the Qura’an unbiased. Then create an opinion about it.

  5. txlady706 says:

    Hasan:
    I HAVE read through it. You are the blind one. Sorry. We will have to just let it go. Your rantings of Islam being peaceful may one day be taken seriously, when Islam SHOWS that IT IS peaceful. For now, Islam only shows violence and none tolerance. It shows itself everyday by stoning women, and killing innocents.

    • Hasan says:

      Your argument is the same as saying “Christianity is evil because they kill recanters, and philosophers in the inquisition”.

      If you take Islam as evil, then you should also say the same about Christianity, infact all Abrahamic religions of the world.

  6. txlady706 says:

    Hasan:
    The Inquisition came because of the invasions of the moors and the constant Muslim threats to Europe. YOUR not a very good historian if you are a professional. If you are trying to get a child to believe your logic that may work, however, logic prevails here twofold. Firstly, the Inquisition happened in a specific time period and was a direct answer to the MUSLIM invasion then. Secondly, the argument is false, because it tries to equivocate the violence that occurred during a specific time in Christian history to the CONSTANT OFFENSIVE violence found in ISLAM. Your logic is sneaky. Your logic would work on the ignorant or one who’s easily shaken. Your logic, however, is an illusion. It’s a false logic weaved in lies. Lies that you may not be aware of yourself. Please, sit down and go back through history. Read about the life of Mo and then go forward. Read about the Barbarians and the MUSLIM invasion of Spain, then about the Ottoman empires incursions in to Europe from the east, even before the middle ages. All these are ISLAM. Suni, Shiah and others make up ISLAM. In the end it’s all about MO. In the end Christianity, Judaism and many other major real RELIGIONS have proven themselves to be able to exist and co-exist with others and in different lands. ISLAM NEVER has. MO was a IMPERIALIST wanna be. He was a marauder and a pornographer and a thief. He was the WORST of the HUMAN animal. He created ISLAM from the evil in his heart. Islam is at it CORE Conquest and Submission. The core of MO. Stoning and murdering is ISLAM.

  7. Hasan says:

    The Inquisition came because of the invasions of the moors and the constant Muslim threats to Europe.

    I believe you don’t know much about the inquisition. If what you say is true, then why is it that even Christians were persecuted during the time on inquisition?
    And I am sorry your historical views are also distorted, inquisition was introduced to stop Catharism.

    Now as to why I am comparing the two. Both inquisition and modern understanding of ‘Jihad’ are both man made. You cannot say the inquisition was part of Christian faith, same as I say this understanding of Jihad is not part of Islam.

    You aren’t familiar with the history of Islam or Christianity for that matter. Islam has been peaceful since the beginning unlike Christianity which for a long period of time was filled with violence and absurdity.

    Let me sum it all up in one example. The Holy land before and after the conquest of Crusaders. Then before and after the conquest of Saladin. While Christian knights made rivers of blood through out the city (they didn’t even spare their own people), Saladin didn’t shed a single drop of civilian blood when he entered the city.

  8. txlady706 says:

    Hasan:
    Read the history of MO. Enough said. He was the angle of death. That SUMS it up.

    • Hasan says:

      txlady,

      This is not useful, we are going around in circles. You should consider reading unbiased historians and review your history. That is all I am going to say.

  9. txlady706 says:

    Hasan:
    I agree. How pretentious of you! You say that I need to learn MY history. I’m JEWISH. Which history do you mean? Christian? Jewish? European? American? Middle Eastern? I have read the HISTORY about MO. I have read European HISTORY. I have read and even EXPERIENCED American history. You are a SELF Righteous person without an ounce of humility. You refute fact with emotions. The HISTORY you talk about is exactly what I have been speaking to, whilst you continue to spout emotional pleas. You should know about circles. The Koran is written in a circular fashion. It’s logic is that of a fourteen year old boy and even that is a compliment. Some pre teens are more emotionally mature than MO was. Instead of referring me to the “material” to read, why not just state what your argument is? Or would you rather a book make your argument, because your too lazy to make it yourself. I’m pretty open about arguing logic with facts, but you have yet to do that. You keep referring me to a HISTORY that is not there. You logic is not supporting your arguments. Your “facts” bare no weight and have no bases in history. So, when you say MY history, don’t you see how utterly ridiculous you sound? I know a HISTORY. MY history would be MY life. If you mean the history of a certain people, then please refer to the people that you mean. As to history in general, well— I am about as versed as any ONE person could be without making it my professorial career. I believe that the history of FACTS doesn’t change. The reason that Barbarians are called Barbarians is because they were Muslims from the Barbary coast and they were the very embodiment of savage. All of the major religions of the world teach civility, while Islam teaches horrors.

  10. Hasan says:

    Well first of all, I never meant to offend you in any way. I am merely asking you to read the same history from which the following non-Muslim leaders / preachers / editors read.

    The more I study the more I discover that the strength of Islam does not lie in the sword.
    – Gandhi writes in Young India

     

    The critics are blind. They cannot see that the only sword Muhammad wielded was the sword of mercy, compassion, friendship and forgiveness—the sword that conquers enemies and purifies hearts. His sword was sharper than the sword of steel.
    – Pandit Gyanandra Dev Sharma Shastri, expressing his views about the expansion of Islam

     

    ….all these arguments, advanced to prove that the purpose of jihad was to spread Islam by force, are contradicted by the Qur’an. The Qur’an says that the purpose of jihad is to protect mosques, churches, synagogues and cloisters.
    – Dr D. W. Leitz

     

    Sitting in Medina, Muhammad(peace be to him) held the Arabs spellbound; he filled them with spiritual strength; strength that makes Gods out of men… it is incorrect to say that Islam spread with the force of the sword. It is a fact that the sword was never wielded to propagate Islam. If religion can be spread by force then let anyone try it today
    – Kangri Ram Dev

     

    In the beginning the Prophet’s enemies made life difficult for him and his followers. So the Prophet asked his followers to leave their homes and migrate to Medina. He preferred migration to fighting his own people, but when oppression went beyond the pale of tolerance he took up his sword in self-defense. Those who believe religion can be spread by force are fools who neither know the ways of religion nor the ways of the world. They are proud of this belief because they are a long, long way away from the Truth.
    – Sikh journalist

    So which part of history is true. The one you are presenting or the one these guys studied?

  11. txlady706 says:

    Hasan:
    The part of HISTORY that is RIGHT NOW. Nidal Hassan, Twin Towers, Sudan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Daniel Pearl, the tourists that Iran STILL has, Israels constant assault and all the Muslims cheering for the WESTERNERS deaths. I live in reality of facts not the far fetched feelings of how you wish them to be. The reality is harsh. The reality is that ISLAM is death and torture. No matter what you say about Islam being mis interpreted – it doesn’t matter, because the reality is that when MILLIONS of people “misinterpret” something, then the person saying that it’s a mis interpretation is a MUSLIM practicing their directive to twist the truth – lie – taqiyya, takiyah, takiyya, takiya. Whatever way you want to spin it or spell it. It’s lies.

    • Hasan says:

      Again, you just love to blame it on Islam. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/opinion/16kristof.html?_r=4 this here is Islam too. I don’t see you mentioning that.

      The history I put forward is not ancient history, all of those are leaders of Modern times. Do you blame World war II on what Hitler called ‘Positive Christianity’?

      When you start holding Christianity responsible for World war II I will definitely understand your hate for ‘ISLAM’.

  12. txlady706 says:

    Hasan:
    WWII? Hitler was not Christian. Hitler was a SOCIALIST. He was also a PAGAN and believed in all sorts of weird things. I don’t care what YOU believe. I like the discourse though. I like to be challenged, but this is really not that challenging.
    You point to stray positives in Islam, by the way, I could not get in to that link sorry. I assume it’s a positive position by someone or other. The issue with that is that it’s not relevant. When there so many MORE negatives out there EVERY day, the minuscule good that happens is Irrelevant. It’s not the standard. It’s just there. I honestly think that your attempts to “transform” me are silly. We have our own opinions. I respect your right to say them, just as much as I enjoy my freedom to refute them. Cheers!

    • Hasan says:

      Transform you? who said I was even trying. By the way Socialism isn’t a ‘religion’, they are merely political views.

      You should read this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views

      I am not straying into any positives about anything. Every Abrahamic religion is peaceful to me. My point is the acts of certain individuals or group of people with different interests SHOULD NOT be alleged upon Islam. Whoever commits those horrific acts is not a Muslim at all. You should denounce the individual or that group. Not the entire religion.

      I denounce Al-qaeda, infact I denounce every militant group who is ‘using’ Islam for its own agenda. I write against them. There are no negatives in my religion. I respect your freedom of expression, though I just merely ask for more research because you are just spreading hatred against Islam.

  13. txlady706 says:

    Hasan:
    By the way, I know that Socialism is NOT a religion. Socialism is a political ideology. Islam has political aspects and is therefore, also, an IDEOLOGY. So, in fact, aspects of ISLAM are the SAME type of thing. Islam incorporates politics and that IS the same. So, in my opinion, and in DEEDS done by the ISLAMISTS, they are the same, an ideology. Socialism is less scary, because one can buy off an ideology that cares only about the self, but an ideology that says that it’s for the “Greater good”, that’s when those people will sacrifice their own and expect more from other people. An example, “you will stone your mother, because she is wicked”, in Islam. ” You be taxed out of your house and you will work to benefit from paying taxes,” even though you may not even have food to eat. Communism caused the greatest famine in Europe and it had no environmental source. You see, evil done by people telling you that they are doing it for your better good is somehow justified in their mind. Islam doesn’t separate it’s Religious aspects from it’s cultural or it’s political. Therefore, it’s all things not separate from either. So, if your talking about Religion, you can refer to Islam. If your talking about politics, you can refer to Islam. If your talking about Cultural things, you can refer to Islam. Therefore, it’s correct to judge Islam based on all of these. Shariah is the LAW of Islam, which should be made ILLEGAL. Islam is EVIL. ON MANY LEVELS. MO was evil and that is the messenger. He was a demon.

    • Hasan says:

      Again, you are proving that you have no knowledge about Islam. Islam doesn’t incorporate ‘Politics’ at all. Those who do politics in the name of Islam are pathetic fools.

      So, in my opinion, and in DEEDS done by the ISLAMISTS, they are the same, an ideology.

      That doesn’t even make sense. You are blaming an entire religion for the deeds of the ignorant few. Its like me condemning Judaism for a Jewish individual’s crime.

      An example, “you will stone your mother, because she is wicked”, in Islam. ” You be taxed out of your house and you will work to benefit from paying taxes,” even though you may not even have food to eat.

      Where are you getting all this stuff? The Islamic economic system is closer to that of Capitalism, except there is no interest. Taxation is the same as for every modern state in the country.

      You see, evil done by people telling you that they are doing it for your better good is somehow justified in their mind. Islam doesn’t separate it’s Religious aspects from it’s cultural or it’s political. So, if your talking about Religion, you can refer to Islam. If your talking about politics, you can refer to Islam. If your talking about Cultural things, you can refer to Islam. Therefore, it’s correct to judge Islam based on all of these.

      Now that’s where you are totally wrong. There is nothing as ‘Islamic culture’, Islam gives a code of life, not define a culture. You can walk through all Islamic states and you will find variations in culture.

      That has been an issue with Islam. Since Christianity and Islam are so much diverse, many things which were ones part of cultures and traditions were amalgamated into religion, which started creating problems.

      Shariah is the LAW of Islam, which should be made ILLEGAL.
      Shariah isn’t evil, the clergy who wants to impose that is evil. Not a single Jew or Christian protested against the law in Jerusalem at the time of Saladin? Shariah became a problem when Muslim scholars started changing it for their own benefits.

      MO was evil and that is the messenger. He was a demon.

      That is why most of the Jews of Arabia converted to Islam right? or may be Gandhi or all the editors I mentioned in my previous post didn’t know history at all.

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