Ripping up the Koran (Q’ran / Quran)

Protesters rip pages from Quran in White House stunt

AFP, Sep 12, 2010, 12.52am IST

WASHINGTON: A small group of conservative Christians tore some pages from a Quran in a protest outside the White House on Saturday to denounce what they called the “charade of Islam” on the anniversary of 9/11.

Randall Terry

Randall Terry

“Part of why we’re doing that, please hear me: the charade that Islam is a peaceful religion must end,” said Randall Terry, a leading anti-abortion campaigner, and one of six people who took part in the protest.

Another activist, Andrew Beacham, read out a few Quran passages calling for hatred towards Christians and Jews, and then ripped those pages from an English paperback edition of the Islamic holy book.

He carefully put the torn pieces into a plastic bag, in order not to litter, and said: “The only reason I will not burn it at the White House is because to burn anything on the Capitol grounds is a felony.”

Beacham, who describes himself as a leader of the rightwing conservative Tea Party from Indiana, added: “The Twin Towers were taken down because of the Koran and other religious teachings.”

A few curious tourists stopped to watch the huddle outside the White House, while police took down the names of the participants but did not intervene.

The tiny protest came as the United States marked the somber ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks amid heightened tensions following a radical Florida pastor’s threat to burn the Quran.

After days of global outrage and protests, pastor Terry Jones, from Gainesville, said today: “We will definitely not burn the Quran, no.”

“Not today, not ever,” he told NBC television when pressed for his plans.

President Barack Obama told a deeply polarized America today that Islam was not the enemy as the 9/11 ceremonies took place.

“As Americans we will not and never will be at war with Islam. It was not a religion that attacked us that September day. It was al-Qaida, (a) sorry band of men, which perverts religion,” Obama said.

Read more: Protesters rip pages from Quran in White House stunt – The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Six-Christians-rip-pages-from-Quran-in-White-House-stunt/articleshow/6538511.cms#ixzz0zFor3N7N

I’m Jewish.  I can’t say that people should listen to what I’m saying.   I believe that the current interpretation of Christians being pacifists is erroneous.  I have read the Old Testament many times and I have read the New Testament twice in it’s entirety and many more times just going back to it here and there.  I don’t profess to be a scholar.

All that being said, I believe that the majority of Pacifism comes from ONE specific passages.

38″You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[a] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.  — Matthew 5:38 Exodus 21:24; Lev. 24:20; Deut. 19:21

This interpretation is valid on an individual basis.  One individual to another individual.  It was not meant to encapsulate nations and cultures and ideologies and religions.  This passage is for individual relations.  It is created so that people could commune together and be able to forgive each other in the lives that they lead together.  They don’t need to be related but are entwined in the same community or location.  This passage should not and, really, does not apply to governments, organizations, religions, or cultures.  The proof that it doesn’t lies in Jesus’ own actions regarding these other entities.  He didn’t make peace with the pharisees, nor the tax collectors or the Romans.  He spoke out harshly against them.  He used all forms of expression to make people understand that those people were, in his point of view, WRONG or EVIL.  Although, he never physically hurt anyone, he did use his words to “condemn” others, which could have had physical repercussion.   The one thing that is clear is that HE did call EVIL exactly that.

He spoke CLEARLY.  Do you hear any leader speaking clearly.

Obama says, “Let me be clear”, yet he is anything but clear.

Jeremiah :

he command came to Jeremiah from Jehovah, “Stand in the door of the temple and speak this message: ‘Hear the word of Jehovah, all you people of Judah who enter these gates to worship him. Jehovah, the God of Israel, says: Change your ways and your deeds and I will let you live in this place. Trust not in misleading words, thinking, this is the temple of Jehovah. For if you really change your ways and your deeds, if you faithfully see that justice is done between a man and his neighbor, if you do no wrong to the foreigners who live among you, to the fatherless nor to the widow, and do not shed the blood of the innocent in this place nor follow other gods to your hurt, then I will let you stay in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, forever and ever.

The Prophet Jeremiah

The Prophet Jeremiah

“‘But now you are trusting in misleading words that are useless. Will you steal, murder, tell lies and offer sacrifice to Baal, and follow other gods whom you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house which bears my name and say, We are free to do all these shameful deeds? Is this my house, which bears my name, in your eyes a den of robbers? I myself have seen these shameful deeds,’ says Jehovah.

“‘Then go to my temple which was at Shiloh, where people used to worship me at first, and see what I did to it because of the wickedness of my people Israel. Now because you have done all these deeds, and have paid no attention, although I spoke to you earnestly and often; and have not answered, although I called you, I will destroy the temple which bears my name, in which you trust, and the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I did at Shiloh. I will also send you from my sight, as I have sent away your relatives, even all the Northern Israelites.'”

When Jeremiah had finished speaking all that Jehovah had commanded him to say, the priests and prophets seized him and said, “You must die. Why have you said in the name of Jehovah that this temple shall be like Shiloh and this city shall be deserted, with no one living in it?” And all the people were gathered about Jeremiah in the temple of Jehovah.

But when the public officials of Judah heard of these things, they came up from the palace to the temple of Jehovah and held court at the entrance, at the new gate of the temple. Then the priests and the prophets said to the officials and to the people, “This man should be put to death, for he has prophesied against this city as you have heard with your own ears.” But Jeremiah answered the officials and all the people, “It was Jehovah who sent me to prophesy against this temple and city all that you have heard. Now therefore change your ways and your deeds and listen to Jehovah your God; and he will not do the evil things that he has threatened to do to you. But as for me, see, I am in your power; do to me as you think right and proper. Only remember that, if you put me to death, you will bring upon yourselves and upon this city and upon its inhabitants guilt for shedding innocent blood, for Jehovah has indeed sent me to you to tell you all these things.”

Then the officials and all the people said to the priests and to the prophets, “This man does not deserve to die, for he has spoken to us in the name of Jehovah our God.” Certain of the elders of the land rose and said to the assembly of the people, “Micah prophesied in the days when Hezekiah ruled over Judah, and said to the people of Judah, ‘Jehovah of hosts says:

“Zion shall be ploughed as a field,
Jerusalem shall become a ruin,
The temple-mount an overgrown hill.”‘

“Did Hezekiah and the people of Judah put him to death? Did they not rather fear Jehovah and ask him to forgive them, so that he did not do the evil things that he had threatened to do to them? But we are in danger of doing great harm to ourselves?”

http://kids.ochristian.com/Childrens-Bible/Jeremiahs-Courage-In-Danger.shtml

G-d doesn’t WANT us to remain silent and passive when it’s HIS commandments that are being broken.

Terrorists who kill innocent people, FGM, Multiple wives (Jews don’t have multiple wives – in the old testament that was allowed but in practice this is no longer acceptable.  Divorce is allowed, but it’s not as easy.  The legalities are similar to that of the legal divorces here), stonings,  and beheadings.  Other than the violent, bloody and horrid aspects of Islam there are other issues:  foreigners are not accepted and this is dangerous, because that is what makes Islam EXCLUSIONARY.  It is INTOLERANT.

To Accept intolerance is to become intolerant.

Intolerance is negative.  Tolerance is positve.  To tolerate intolerance equals EVIL.

To NOT tolerate INTOLERANCE is GOOD.  It negates intolerance.

“I am your GOD” —- The FIRST COMMANDMENT

To not keep his commandments is to NOT have G-d as your ideology.   Islam breaks with almost all the commandments.  Islam is not following the g-d of Israel or the Christians.

G-d is LOVE

What is LOVE?

Is it love if only one person loves the other in a romantic relationship?

A mother has unconditional love for her child, but that love INCLUDES discipline.

Love requires HONOR.  It is RECIPROCAL.

Auschwitz gas chamber, October 2005

Auschwitz gas chamber, October 2005

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Flight 93 crash site

Flight 93 impact crater

The Holocaust

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4 Responses to Ripping up the Koran (Q’ran / Quran)

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  2. Teppo Väisänen says:

    To post pictures of 911 disasters and the jewish genocide next to each other… how dare you?

    Islam is a very multi faced religion, just like Christianity. Their unluck is that Q’ran can be more easily misused for hatered. But that is not the spirit of Islam. It IS peace, however it has been expressing itself in very different ways in history. When muslims have been under a threat, then more severe interpretations of the Q’ran have been implemented (but still, never everyone has shared those views). In more peaceful times Islam has been very tolerant, actually. And (unfortunately) often even more tolerant than Christianity in its various forms.

    Expressions of hatered – like tearing pages from a holy book of some other religion – are not an act of love, and can not be one. Even if we think that the Q’ran is ultimately wrong about many things (like Jesus’s crusifiction). And, sorry for saying this in the same paragraph, but also the U.S.A’s war on “terror” that actually is a war for world dominance and a war that benefits american oil companies the most, is a thing that can provoke nothing but hatered in people who are inclined to extremism. Even more so, it gives a good boost for the rhetorics of those people who try to change moderate believers into extremists. If U.S.A doesn’t see their own fault in this mess… it is a shame, and a great spiritual blindness. Forgive me for saying this.

    Had the States used the same amount of money (as has been used for war on terror and arms industry) into actual helping of people and promoting real democracy, instead of their puppet-democracies… no one would have any reasons to hate U.S.A. and there’d be no one do commit such horrible things as 9/11.

    I myself am a Christian, who has a living faith. Yet still I consider myself the biggest sinner in the world (not always, when I fall to pride). But I’ve some friends who are Muslims and they are disgusted by the attrocities done by some of the radical fundamentalist islamists, just like you (hopefully) and me are discusted by how the Pope made a lot of people believe that if they go to war for Christ’s cause (that was his own cause, actually) they will go straight to Heaven if they die during the crusades. Doesn’t that sound just the same as the worst interpretations of jihad?

    Sorry for the multitude of my words and my accusations. I just think that one should think more carefully of one’s deeds and their consequences.

    In Christ,
    Teppo Väisänen from Finland

    • txlady706 says:

      Teppo Väisänen:
      If you are Christian then you may want to prepare for Dimmitude.
      I feel envious of your ignorance. It’s easier for the fool.
      I am Jewish so, the pictures are synonymous. The holocaust was aided and abetted by the Muslims.

      All religions or ideas can be “misused.” The correct reaction from the leaders is to denounce strongly and subdue that which is out of the norm for it. This is not the case in Islam. This is evidenced by the actions, reactions, and associations of the “moderate” Islamist. I disagree whole heartedly about this. They don’t have a leg to stand on. Islam requires Shariah and there are many leniencies that they will allow in order to farther Islam. So, again, the difference is that when the other Religions step OUT OF CHARACTER, they become violent and go against DEMOCRATIC values. When ISLAM steps OUT of character, it becomes more Democratic. To be a BAD Muslim is to be a good PERSON, by western or other religious standards; an INFIDEL. To be a GOOD Muslim is to be a TERRORIST, a Conquerer and a TYRANT.
      You call yourself a Christian and then compare the tearing out of the pages of the KORAN in the same vein as Jesus’ Crucification? How DARE YOU? The US should not have been in the middle of the IRAQ thing but only in so much as this was loosing proposition to the WEST. At a philosophical level. People were being exterminated. Something you don’t seem to mind too much. Why? Not your kind? OH, well, I see your humanity. As for the oil, America, has a right to the amount of OIL that would pay for the HELL that Iraqi created for our military and the economic devastation that it’s caused. Not more oil, but just enough to cover the costs. So, don’t tell me it’s about oil. That is really not logical.
      The hate for America was present, much before Iraq. So, don’t obfuscate the issue. The towers have been targeted by Muslims for decades. I don’t forgive you for saying anything that you do. There is no need. You say what is in your heart. There is much that is black in your heart. I hope, for you, that changes.
      The Muslim PEOPLE are not my issue. The Muslims who see the disgusting things that the “extremists” do and are mortified, those are the BAD Muslims. You will see. Once a Caliphate is established, it will be good Muslim against bad Muslim. There is no end. ISLAM is at the core violent, it is CONQUERING and SUBMISSION! There is NO peace with it. It’s not part of it’s structure. Look at the countries that ARE totally Muslim – Sudan, and parts of Africa. They are stained in blood. They fight each other. This is why those places are in the stone ages. They can’t have enough peace to advance.
      The Crusades were the result of MUSLIM aggression and incursions in to Europe. I don’t agree with the Crusades in their entirety, but I can see what the cause was. Christians were barred from Jerusalem and the Muslims started their calls for Shariah and their advance in to northern Europe. So, I can see the reason for it. If you choose to lie to yourself about the causes, then you are less than honest in your logic and people are much more educated now. The crusade argument can only be used on those who don’t know the REST of THE STORY.
      No, need to apologize. I enjoy a logical argument. I try to hit on all your points.
      One should be careful of DEEDS, but not their talk.
      The exchange of ideas is important. Speech that demands murder is the only speech that should not be tolerated. Ideas, however, are free to the people who live in Liberty.
      Shalom
      TXLady706

  3. Leon Tu says:

    11/23/2016 https://txlady706.wordpress.com does it again! Very interesting site and a thought-provoking post. Keep up the good work!

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